Daiwa Seiryu-X 64 as a keiryu rod

by Jeff D
(Overland Park, KS)

The micro egg sans bead

At some point in the nearish future, I'd like to start offering guide service for folks wanting to try keiryu fishing. After consulting with Chris, I came to the conclusion that the rods I'd like to use would be the Daiwa Seiryu-X seiryu rods. After receiving Seiryu-X rods in the 45 and 64 lengths, I couldn't wait to get to the water and try them out.

Luckily, Mother Nature cooperated with a nice day recently so my son and I made a speed run down to Bennett Spring State Park. This being the catch and release fly only winter season, I couldn't use bait. I figured we'd still pick up some fish on flies. In addition, we fished from the bank only. I wanted to see how effective a long keiryu rod could be for non-wading anglers.

I started with the 64 rigged keiryu style, and my son with the 45 rigged tenkara style. We started at the spring pool, which has very little current. After catching a few sculpins but no trout on "regular size" flies (size 14) I decided to switch to my now go-to winter trout park fly: the micro egg.

The micro egg is nothing more than a bit of bright dubbing on a size 26 Gamakatsu C12-BM hook, with a 1.5mm bead. I am very impressed with these hooks. I've had trouble keeping fish on with small hooks before, but these hooks have changed that!

Using the micro egg I caught two 10-12" scrawny trout in the slow water of the spring pool. This was fun, but I wanted to actually get a drift, so we moved downstream a bit to an area below a rock dam where there was actually a current. Here I hooked a chunky 14" rainbow, and the 64 handled it with no problem. My son had never keiryu fished before, so we stowed away the 45 and I put the 64 in his hands. After some coaching on where to cast and how to watch the markers, he caught two average rainbows in quick succession. Then we had to pack up and head home as my son had social activities planned for the evening.

My keiryu line set up for the 64 was 4' of 1.5 tenjo line, 10' of 4x tippet, and a terminal tippet of 6x fluorocarbon tippet. I used a single BB shot for weight. I use 3 markers on the main line, trimmed very short to prevent wind resistance. In the future I'll probably use 5x as the main line to avoid rod breakage if it gets tangled in a tree.

I had cut two tenkara lines for both rods from 3.5 Oni level line. This line cast wonderfully, but since the lines were relatively long, they sagged more than I'd prefer. In the future, I'll have to try 2.5 as a tenkara line for both rods.

As soon as the regular season opens, we'll be back with a variety of baits for the bait only zone. Wading will be necessary then as bank access to this zone is very limited.

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Jan 31, 2018
Tenkara Line on Seiryu Rod
by: Les A

Jeff,

I have been fishing the 2.5 line on the Sagiri 45, and found that it works very well. On my Sawanobori 63 I have fished the 2.5 line as well, but prefer 3.0. The 2.5 really does help with the sag. That said, while fishing bait, if the line goes straight, flick the wrist, it is usually "Fish ON!"

Thanks for the great report. Looking to hear more about your adventures with the Seiryu Rods.

Feb 01, 2018
Micro Egg
by: Alex Argyros

Thanks for the post.

Could you tell me how you get the dubbing to stay on top of the micro egg like int he photo you included. Do you slide it down the thread to the hook rather than wind the dubbing around the hook?

Again, thanks for an informative post.

Feb 01, 2018
Micro eggs
by: Hoppy D (SD)

Alex,

Do a Google search for "Tim Flagler on YouTube." When you get to Tim's page, put "micro egg" in the search box. You will end up at a neat/nifty/short video about tying micro eggs. (Tim will be tying one on a size 22 hook. Small enough?)

Happy egging!

HD

Feb 01, 2018
Micro Egg
by: Alex

Thanks, HD. However, the video suggests using McFly Foam, whereas the article mentioned dubbing. I was wondering specifically about how to use dubbing on such a small egg pattern.

Feb 01, 2018
Tying the micro egg
by: Jeff D

I tie the micro egg by twisting up the dubbing and then folding it around the hook. Now, holding the ends of the dubbing above the hook, I make a few wraps around the dubbing parallel to the shank of the hook. This is not unlike creating a parachute post. I then trim the dubbing to size/shape.

I use the Veevus 16/0 for these flies. Amazing stuff! Remarkably strong for such wispy thread.

Feb 01, 2018
Short info
by: Horia

Hi,
How deep were you fishing that egg pattern? And how easy is to hook a fish from deeper waters with that seiryu rod? Thanks

Feb 01, 2018
egg fishing technique
by: Jeff D

The depth was varied from around 1-4 feet. No problems with hooksets at this depth. Those Gamakatsu barbless hooks are wicked sharp, which I'm sure helped.

Feb 01, 2018
Another micro egg tying note
by: Jeff D

I use Senyo Laser Yarn for these flies. It has a very fine texture and relatively long fibers. I have also used Ice Dub but I find the Laser Yarn easier to work with.

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