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Seiryu - Keiryu Shoot out!

by Les Albjerg
(Caldwell, ID)

I was inspired by Chris' article "Seiryu Rods for Keiryu Fishing?" to do a comparison between the Suntech TenkaraBum Traveler 44 and the Diawa Sagiri 45.

I had Wilson Springs all to myself this morning. They must have planted it late yesterday or before I got there. There were a lot of trout jumping. That only happens during the first 24 hours of planting. Wilson Creek sounds a lot like the area described in Chris' article. This is a put and take fishery. The normal limit in Idaho is 6 trout. The limit at Wilson Springs is two because of the popularity.

I fished with the $5.00 "Keiryu Rig" listed under "Keiryu Acessories." I shortened it by one meter so it would fish well at the 40 setting. Since Wilson Springs is a slow moving pool, I used two Dinsmore #10 split shot instead of the larger split shot that came with the kit. I used Red Wigglers. I fished both rods at 40 and 44 (45).

The fish were cooperating today! There is a seam of current that flows toward the creek and forms a nice back eddy. This is where I like to fish. I caught 4 fish with each rod. Three at the shorter length, and one at the longer length. This is an ideal spot for a 4 meter rod. To begin with, you can't go wrong with either of these rods.

So, now to compare. Fit and finish is much better on the Suntech. The Suntech dampens the cast better. I don't know if that is a function of the quality or its higher penny rating. Both cast well, but I like the way the Suntech casts over the Diawa. Feeling the take of the fish was about equal with both rods. However, hook sets were much better with the Suntech. I had one fish with the Diawa take the Red Wiggler deep. Its "zero tension" might be too good, or I was sleeping on the switch. I had one missed strike with the Suntech and two with the Diawa. Both fished well at both lengths. The Suntech has the advantage in that it will zoom down to 36.

The fight was very fun on both rods. All the fish I caught today were around 8 inches. I know the Suntech will handle larger fish than the Diawa. That said, I had no trouble controlling the fight with either rod. Both of the rods have a nice bend progression when you are fighting the fish. The Diawa curves a lot more. It seemed to tire the fish a little quicker. I like the way the Diawa zooms a little better than the Suntech. The grip on the Diawa is a little longer than the Suntech. I like that better, but didn't really notice the difference when fishing.

I bought the Diawa for panfish. It is going to be perfect for why I bought it. The Suntech was my second premium rod. In my opinion, it is worth the extra $65.00. Fit and finish are amazing on the Suntech TenkaraBum Traveler. For 65.00 you get an additional length, the 36. Where can you buy a premium 360 cm rod for $65.00? If you just can't afford it, there is absolutely nothing wrong with the Diawa Sagiri. It works very well as a keiryu rod. So many choices, so little time and funds!

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Jan 10, 2018
Red wigglers and #10 shot
by: Jeff D


Your posts here have inspired me to use those Seiryu-X rods with red wigglers, size 14 Gamakatsu R10-Bs and #10 shot as my first trials when testing techniques in the coming months. Now I just have to convince my wife to let me have a red wriggler ranch in the house...

Jan 10, 2018
Red Wiggler Ranch
by: Chris Stewart

They really don't take much space and they don't smell. If you are careful with what you feed them, you will not attract any bugs, either (fruit can bring fruit flies). Mine is just a 3 gallon "tote" plastic bin.

There are a couple good vermiculture groups on Facebook, and there is a live bait subforum on Good info from all three sources.

Jan 10, 2018
Suntech and Daiwa
by: John Evans

Enjoyed the write-up. I own several Daiwa and Suntech rods and like them all. For what it's worth, I'd say that Daiwa seems to be a bigger company with rods at several different "price-points," as they say. They're all good quality, but it's my impression that Suntech is a smaller company with a little more emphasis on the premium line of rods. Chris can correct me on all that. All of the rods have functioned well for their intended purpose, and it takes some experience before one is able to evaluate the small differences. Both companies, as you noted, offer fine equipment.

Jan 10, 2018
Non-Obtrusive worms
by: Les Albjerg

Jeff - I don't know where you live, but I keep mine in my shop which is the third bay of my garage. They are thriving in the 45-55 degrees of my shop this winter. They will die if it is below freezing. I am in phase two of my experiment on having a simple small Red Wiggler Ranch for fishing. The simple food that I have developed is cheap and lasts a long time, and won't offend anyone. The system is small, fits in a small box that can fit almost anywhere, and as Chris said, there is no smell if done right. It so far is way out producing my fishing needs. On the main ranch I am spending less than 5 minutes a week, and have LOADS of worms. I went through less than a dozen today. Hopefully more over the weekend.

I will be posting results next month if all continues to go well.

Welcome to the Red Wiggler Club - They do catch fish.

Jan 10, 2018
Wiggler Ranching
by: Jeff D

Working here at the library, I have had a surprising number of people over the years request the wonderfully titled book "Worms Eat My Garbage," which I now have placed a hold on as well.

My best friend is a home-brewer turned craft beer entrepreneur, and in our many years of messing around with making beer and wine, we have become VERY familiar with the scourge of Drosophila. Those little suckers can flat take over if you don't watch out. Even a small spill somewhere that didn't get cleaned up will result in a "blanket hatch" of fruit flies! I think they are too small even for those Tiemco size 32 hooks so I'll do whatever it takes to keep them at bay.

Jan 10, 2018
TB Traveler
by: Rob

I have the original Suntech before the name was changed. I used that rod extensively around Palisades. The versatility was excellent due to being able to zoom it. Never felt that it couldn't handle any fish even though the flows were quite strong during September, especially Palisades Creek.

Jan 10, 2018
Daiwa rods
by: Chris Stewart

John is absolutely correct. Daiwa makes rods at different price points and Suntech only makes high quality rods. Daiwa does not currently have a high end seiryu rod. Perhaps that will change in the future. Their high end tenkara and keiryu rods are very, very good. (The Daiwa keiryu rods I carry are not their high end rods, not by any stretch of the imagination.)

Jan 10, 2018
Too Many Choices Already!
by: Les Albjerg

Diawa has more rods! Chris can special order Shimano rods! I have three special order rods already! I have my next rod narrowed down to three choices from the available rods already.

If you watch a lot of the Japanese Shimano TV YouTube you will see a lot of nice rods that nobody stocks here. TenkaraBum already has too many options. -Thanks Chris- For narrowing the field somewhat.

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