Great Lines

by Les Albjerg
(Caldwell, Idaho)

I have purchased 2 Nissin PALS Fuji Style SP Pro Tenkara Lines, one in 6 meter and one in 4 meter. I fished the 4 meter today with my Suntech Genryu Sawanobori 45. I have fished the 6 meter with my Nissin Kyogi. These tapered lines from Japan are worth the investment if you are looking for a line that can really turn over a beadhead or large fly.

I was fishing in blustery weather today. One minute it was calm, the next minute I was getting blasted by a gust of wind. It was sunny, it was cloudy. I was snowed on! The Nissin tapered line could handle it all.

I have been experimenting a lot with lines over the last few months. Like Chris, I really do like level lines. I have made some of my own tapered lines too. That said, the convenience of these lines and the quality are hard to beat.

This was my first time fishing with my new Suntech Genryu Sawanobori 45, and I like the way this line loads the rod. I am planning on trying it on my Suntech GM Suikei Keiryu Special 44 to see how it works with a rod that is much more flexible.

I also like the unique method of attaching the line to the lillian. It is so simple and really holds the line well.

The line was easy to cast, and manipulate my beadheaded mummy worms. The only bummer today is I caught no fish! I had one good hit, and the line transmitted it very well to the hand. These lines are well made, and ready to fish.

Chris is right, these lines are a little harder to keep off the water. That said, fishing a beadhead deep, and for punching the wind, these are great lines. The biggest thing I have learned over the last couple of months is having the right line makes a big difference in how easy it is to fish with a fixed line rig.

It was a nasty day, but seeing a flock of swans fly less than 20 feet overhead and settle on the Snake River made up for a fishless day. My first fishless day fishing fixed line!

I would highly recommend anyone reading my review to spend some time in the "Line and Tippet" section of this website. Chris offers a great education in lines as well as selling an awesome variety. You should be able to find lines that make your rods sing.

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Feb 28, 2017
Good Info
by: Jay

Thanks for the direct comparison of the two lines. It sounds like the furled line works better for the Kyogi, but I'm curious how well the level line works for you. I'm thinking about getting a Kyogi myself, but if it needs the SP Pro line to work well, that gets a bit spendy for me for consumables. Mabye Chris could speak to this as well.

Feb 28, 2017
Size 4 line for Kyogi
by: Chris Stewart

The Nissin Kyogi is flexible enough that it will cast a size 4 line or a 4.5 line (back in stock). The PALS line casts like a bullet, but the level line will work also.

Feb 28, 2017
level lines
by: Les A.

Jay,
I really like the Sunline 4.5 with my Kyogi. It casts very well, and you won't be disappointed. My venture into tapered lines was for solving the wind problem. Another favorite line is 12 pound mono with the Owner Professional Markers made from a very bright material. You can spot those yarn markers from a mile away! I hooked and almost landed a steelhead with that line. I caught two carp (small) with that line. I found the stretch and slightly more flexible nature of the mono to be kind of nice with the Kyogi. You don't need a tapered line. However when the wind is in the 20's gusting to who knows what, the taper really helps. You won't have a problem with a level line with the Kyogi. It like every rod from Chris it has a smooth action!

Feb 28, 2017
Thanks, guys!
by: Jay

That's very reassuring! Now, I just have to hope Chris still has one in stock by the time I've saved up my fun money.

Feb 28, 2017
Tapered line
by: Phillip

It's interesting that we've approached lines for casting beadheads from opposite directions. Your findings make me want to do some more experimentation.

From what I can understand, your method has you casting the weight of the line which then transfers energy from the rod to the fly. Just like one would do with an unweighted fly, just sized up to turnover a more resistant fly. The advantage would be a lot of versatility in weight and air resistance in the fly. This comes at the expense of line sag and a loss of sensitivity. Sort of like a 6wt and steeply tapered leader.

The method I've been using is more like French nymphing with a light rod and long, thin leader. Instead of casting the line, I rely on the weight of the fly to load the rod. I use the thinnest, lightest line I can still see, which right now is a size 2.5 level line, (I haven't completely converted to keiryu markers). There's so little wind resistance on this setup that I have no problem punching a fly upwind as long as the rod itself can still cast.

The light line setup is wonderfully sensitive within its niche, but it does have limitations. The rod I'm using (Sagiri 54mc) is very slow and full flex, which I assume is why I can load the rod with the weight of a 2mm tungsten bead. This also limits my ability to cast a heavier fly, with 4mm tungsten being pretty awful. Beadheads in the 2.5mm size are ideal.

I have some more setups to experiment with, such as a really light tenjo line and now a tapered line. More techniques for the arsenal.

Feb 28, 2017
Both approaches work
by: Chris Stewart

The one big advantage of using a heavy line like the Nissin PALS SP Pro is that it really smooths out the cast for even heavy flies. The disadvantage is substantially more line sag. The big advantage of a very light line (even much lighter than size 2.5 tenkara line) is minimal line sag. The big disadvantage is that all the weight is in the fly, and it is very jerky unless your timing on the cast is really very good.

Feb 28, 2017
The other extreme!
by: Les A.

Phillip,

One of my other favorite lines is 2 pound Stren Crappie line (yellow) with 18 inches of Sunset Amnesia and 8 inches of 7x tippet for use with a size 14 Utah killer bug. It casts like a shooting head! It will deliver in the wind too. It doesn't work with a beadheaded Mummy Worm. I have another line that I just made up with the Tenjo (Sunset size one) line that I have not tried yet. Lets just say, I am really having fun experimenting with different lines. I watched an older video from the "Utah Tenkara Guides" where John assessed the conditions of the stream and weather, and then proceeded to make a line for the situation, tied on a fly and nailed a nice rainbow on the first cast. That is the kind of intuition I am striving for if the situation calls for it.

Mar 01, 2017
tapered fluorocarbon line in the wind
by: Jeff D

A while back I went out fishing all rigged up keiryu style (with a bead head nymph) but serious wind quickly put a stop to that. Luckily I had my Nissin Fujiryu 410 6:4 and the Nissin PALS SP Pro 4 m line. With that combo I was able to punch through the wind easily. I wasn't particularly concerned about line sag, as instead of drifting the Grave Digger-esque kebari, I was casting into the bank and then giving a few twitches, cast again, repeat, repeat, repeat. Basically I was bass fishing for trout. It worked well!

I've also found the Daiwa Floating Tenkara Line to be a good "wind or bulky fly" line. Again, line sag is an issue.

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